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AppSec Cali 2018: Izar Tarandach

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I'm at the OWASP AppSec Cali event, and while there's now there'll be video, I'm taking notes:

Context for the talk

  • What fails during the development process? Incomplete requirements, non-secure design, lack of security mindset, leaky development
  • These failures are threats which can be mitigated. (eg, compliance and risk requirements address incomplete requirements)
  • We keep failing in the same way. How often are developers required to pass a security interview to get a job?
  • Story of Alice the manager, and Bob the developer who learns about a SQL injection in their legacy code. Bob is overwhelmed by security requirements.
  • "The problem with programmers is that you can never tell what a programmer is going until it is too late." — Seymour Cray
  • Security team objective: be informed about product flow; help developers not write and not deploy security issues; stop being a bottleneck; so focus secure development on the developer, not the security expert.

Notable Security Events

  • How to integrate security expertise into development in a more fluid way. Does this tie to "the spec"?
  • Developers don't know that their changes are security relevant
  • Funny example of a training quiz that doesn't have a learning goal
  • Noel Burch's hierarchy of competence. From unconscious incompetence through unconscious competence.
  • Learning: step-by-step, instructions, theory; training: repetition, muscle memory; applying: real life doing.
  • Tie domains to notable events, use checklists for those notable events.
  • Specifically formed "if you did X, do Y." Each "Y" must be in the language of the developer, concise, testable, and supported by training.
  • Ran an experiment, got solid feedback.
  • Short training gets used more.
  • Crisply defined responsibilities by role.